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Section I - Written testimony
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February 25, 2025
The Honorable Chairman
Senator Aric Putnam
3215 Senate Office Building
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55155
Member Gene Dornink
Member Heather Gustafson
Member Robert J. Kupec
Member Nathan Wesenberg
Member Zack Duckworth
Member Mary K. Kunsel
Member Judy Seeberger
Member Bruce Anderson
Members of the Senate Veterans Committee,
I am writing to highlight serious problems with Senate File 568 recently introduced in the Minnesota State Senate regarding the redefinition of a Veteran. In 2018, I forwarded remedies to Senator Amy Klobuchar regarding serious issues in the Federal Hmong Burial Bill language, which was later included and passed in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2018 on March 23, 2018.
The flawed provisions of the Act were remedied by adopting most of the Coalition Asian Veterans of the Vietnam War (CAVWV)’s recommendations in 2024—seven years later. You may review the research and remedies at cavwv.org/hmong-burial-controversy.
The current redefinition of a veteran as defined in MN SF 568 will likely create serious complications for the Minnesota Department of Veterans Affairs. It relies on the Hmong Veterans' Naturalization Act of 2000 (Public Law 106-207, U.S.C. 1423) as the foundation of its language.
The problem is that this law only recognizes those Lao veterans who became U.S. citizens through the 2000 Act, excluding those who obtained citizenship through other legal means prior to that year.
Additionally, few Minnesotans realize that while Hmong veterans made significant contributions to the conflict in Southeast Asia, they were not the only ethnic group involved. Ethnic Lowland Lao and Lao Theung tribesmen actually comprised approximately 65% of all SGU—Special Guerrilla Unit—forces in Laos.
Minnesota is now home to many of these allies who risked their lives in support of American military operations.
Furthermore, the redefinition of a veteran in SF 568 is specific to Lao/Hmong veterans. This unfairly excludes other allied veterans residing in Minnesota who served during the conflicts in Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam, often in clandestine missions directed by the CIA and U.S. military. Many of these veterans continue to honor their secrecy oaths, which may explain why their service is not widely recognized today.
These changes would ensure that Minnesota properly recognizes all of our Lao and Southeast Asian allies who served honorably—not just those who became citizens through a specific law or belong to a particular ethnic group.
Minnesota has long honored military service and sacrifice. Let us ensure that state law reflects the full diversity of those who stood alongside Americans during one of history’s most complex conflicts.
Sincerely,
Thomas Leo Briggs
CIA Operations Officer GS-15 (Ret)
Special Operations Officer, Laos 1970–1972
President, Coalition Asian Veterans of the Vietnam War (cavwv.org)
Author, Cash on Delivery: CIA Special Operations During the Secret War in Laos
April 3, 2025
The undersigned Veteran Associations of Minnesota would like to express our thoughts and concerns about House File 1845 and Senate File 568 titled Veteran, Redefined.
It is important to note that we are just now learning of this important legislation that affects all United States Veterans living in Minnesota. We are a bit dismayed that no one approached us to give our opinion of the bills in question before now.
The Department of Veteran Affairs, neither State Legislature Veterans Committees, nor the authors and cosponsors of these bills had made us aware or asked our opinion on its language. We hope our opinions are not too late to be considered by the State Legislature and all those who determine the passage of these bills.
We have two important points we would like the State of Minnesota to be made aware of:
As this legislation stands today, we cannot support it, and we would recommend the bill be tabled until remedies can be found for the flaws and issues we have identified. We also insist that all our allies are included.
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of our opinions and concerns.
Sincerely,
This legislation requires more thorough vetting, and the conflicts outlined above must be resolved before it is passed.
April 15, 2025
Dear Minnesota Senators and Representatives,
I write to put the legislators of Minnesota on notice of attempts to unfairly privilege one ethnicity over other, perhaps more deserving ones, as we remember the 50th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War this coming April 30th with the fall of Saigon.
First, let me say something about myself so that you can better judge the validity of my reasoning. I served in South Vietnam as a civilian working for the village development and counter-insurgency program called Civil Operations and Rural Development Support (CORDS), a special part of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam. I still speak Vietnamese with acceptable fluency. In early April 1975—exactly 50 years ago—I persuaded some friends still working in the State Department and National Security Council to propose and execute a resettlement program for Vietnamese nationalists threatened with persecution and duress under any regime imposed by the invading army loyal to Communist North Vietnam.
In 1978, I was a member of the small Citizens Commission for Indochinese Refugees which visited refugee camps in Thailand—Vietnamese, Hmong, and Cambodian—to return to Washington and successfully persuade the Carter Administration and the Congress to make into law the Refugee Act of 1980. Minnesota’s own Walter Mondale became a champion of that effort. Thus, one might say I had a hand in the coming to Minnesota of every refugee from South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.
With respect to the Hmong, I was perhaps the closest American friend of General Vang Pao from 1980 until his death in 2011. I was also political advisor to General Vang Pao, working closely with him and the clan leaders on issues of assimilation and foreign policy. I introduced General Vang Pao and the clan leaders to then Lieutenant Bob Fletcher of the St. Paul Police Department so that Hmong families could cooperate closely with the police in preventing the emergence of youth gangs within the Hmong community—an effort that was most successful.
With respect to the Cambodians, in 1989, working in a study group of the Council on Foreign Relations with then-retired General John Vessey of Minnesota, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I proposed a plan to install an interim United Nations trusteeship administration in Cambodia to put an end to the Killing Fields. The plan was implemented and the killings stopped.
Now the legislature is being asked by a number of elected Hmong Americans, clients of the Democrat-Farmer-Labor Party, to disproportionately award public money to some in the Hmong community and to exclusively provide Hmong former soldiers with the privileged status of veteran, omitting Americans with Vietnamese, Cambodian, or Lao ancestry who also fought for the freedom of their countries. This discrimination does not embody the equality promised by our Declaration of Independence. Nor does it reflect the equitable principles we Americans fought and sacrificed for in the Vietnam War and still cherish.
And how well does this ethnic favoritism align with the contemporary progressive principles of diversity, equity, and inclusion?
The Cambodians suffered the most heinously of all the Indochinese people after the Communist victory. The nationalist Vietnamese Army in South Vietnam was far larger than and engaged in much more ferocious combat (nationalist tanks, heavy artillery, regimental and division-scale ground fighting) than did the much smaller Hmong special guerrilla units, valiant and skilled as they were, under General Vang Pao’s command. The Vietnamese nationalists had over 2 million men in their armed forces and village self-defense units. The number of Vietnamese nationalists killed in the war—civilian and military—was in the order of 500,000 persons. Ethnic Lao also were recruited by their own government and by the Americans to fight against invading North Vietnamese and their Lao collaborators.
I can speak for General Vang Pao in reporting to you that he would never support such discrimination against those he valued as allies of his Hmong people, as I was his close friend and advisor for 30 years. I had many discussions with General Vang Pao on Hmong relationships—good and bad—with Vietnamese and Lao and on what the Khmer Rouge did to their own people in Cambodia.
The Vietnam War was a war of people who believed in freedom no matter what their ethnicity, just as we Americans do against an oppressive and cruel neo-colonial ideology coming from France—Marxist-Leninism. We Americans supported their rightful struggle for human rights with courage, goodwill, and honor.
All who, during and after the Vietnam War, so stood up for what was right and just should be remembered today, and all their sacrifices and losses should be honored with respect and dignity.
Sincerely yours,
Stephen B. Young
Ha Tuong Ed.D
10335 Oak Grove Circle
Bloomington, Minnesota 55431
To: Governor Timothy Walz and the State of Minnesota Legislature
Referring to Minnesota Senate File 568, Veteran defined and the Congressional Gold Medal to the Hmong People introduced by Sen. Amy Klobuchar.
In my opinion, these efforts are examples of ethnic discrimination.
These efforts favor one ethnic group over at least three specific others; the Lao Loum, the Khmer and the South Vietnamese who have immigrated in great numbers to Minnesota and yet others; like the Thai, Koreans, Australians, New Zealanders, the Taiwanese, who also have populations here as well, to name a few. It is an insult to other Southeast Asian Allies to ignore their sacrifices and elevate only the Hmong.
It is well documented that the numbers of Southeast Asian casualties during and the four years after the conflict is immense, well over 4 million lives extinguished. Politically motivated efforts such as these diminish the sacrifices other allies suffered during this time of conflict not to mention the United States military.
In my opinion this is obviously ethnic racism! Here are my reasons.
It is true that Hmong warriors were extremely brave combatants during the war in Mountainous Region Military Region 2 (Hmong assigned jurisdiction) in Laos. There were five military regions in Laos occupied by Lao Loum (by far the largest in population), Lao Throng and other ethnic populations. Only a portion of Military Region 2 had Hmong. The Hmong regular and irregular forces defended the United States Air Force TACAN (Tactical Air Navigation) radar stations which were operated by “sheep dipped” personnel (U.S. military members temporarily assigned civilian status for covert operations). Several battles involving Hmong units and the Pathet Lao (Communist Lao) and North Vietnamese for example, The Battle of Plain of the Jars and the Battle of Long Tieng (LS-20) or Skyline Ridge, were reinforced by Special Guerilla Units (SGU) from the Lao Loum areas of Military Regions 1, 3, 4 and the Lao Loum and Lao Thoung from Military Region 2. Without these Lao Loum SGU unit reinforcements the Hmong would have most certainly been defeated and perhaps destroyed. During the Battle of Long Tieng for example if not for the Thai PARU and the Lao Loum from Military Regions 1 and 2 that Battle would have certainly been lost and the Hmong destroyed. This is well documented by CIA case officer James ‘Mule” Parker in his book “The Battle for Skyline Ridge”.
Nevertheless, The United States had covert training camps manned by United States Special Forces in Thailand. These covert training camps such as the Lopburi, Phitsanulok and Ban Na camps, trained Thai, Lao Loum and Hmong fighters. Road Watch teams from Military Region 3 and 4 were often assisted by covert South Vietnamese teams from I, II and III Corps from South Vietnam. These teams operated along the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The Hmong which have been widely reported as operating on the Trail, as cited in the Congressional Gold Medal Resolution, in fact never set foot anywhere close to the Ho Chi Minh Trail. This is documented by CIA Station Chief Richard Holm who was assigned in Laos from 1962–1964. The Hmong were far north of where the trail enters Laos. These are false attributions which diminish those Lao Loum and Vietnamese who did. Statements like the Hmong fought side by side the United States are also false. The United States Military never performed any operations in Laos in accordance with the Geneva Accords of 1962.
In my opinion the demographic statistics used to support the language in the resolution and bill are inflated to influence their Hmong constituencies.
For example: in late 1970, only 25,000 Hmong (not 150,000) were admitted into the United States other than the 2,500 military personnel that accompanied Gen. Vang Pao immediately following the United States withdrawal. In the two years that the Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1975, that Act allowed only 200,000 refugees from Cambodia (Khmer Rouge genocide) and South Vietnam to enter the United States. No Lao or Hmong in great numbers were admitted until mid to late 1970s. I was the Coordinator for the Minneapolis Public Schools 7–12 ESL Bilingual program from 1976–1982 so I know the demographics. In addition the cited 2023 demographic of 94,000 is unfounded if based on 2020 census as stated in the Congressional Gold Medal press release.
Correcting the Gold Medal Resolution citations:
North Vietnam never had the capability of bombing anywhere in Laos (or Cambodia and Vietnam), as described in the resolution.
Distorting the truth as many have claimed are verifiably false.
Many Hmong groups, including the younger and better educated American Hmong who can do research, have questions about Hmong Studies Curriculums in Minnesota.
Hmong SGUs did not serve “along side with American troops” as stated in the press release because there were no United States Military “boots on the ground” in Laos. The Hmong served in both regular and irregular military units under the command of Gen. Vang Pao, a Royal Lao Armed Forces Commander. The Royal Lao Government was assisted by the United States in a variety of ways. For example, the Central Intelligence Agency, Military Assistance Command Vietnam–Laos (MACV-Laos), Air America, and military members temporarily assigned civilian status for covert operations to name a few.
It is true that some Hmong T28 pilots were members of the Royal Lao Air Force but there were also Lao Loum and at least one ethnic Khmu pilot as well. This fact is often omitted. These pilots were not irregular SGU combatants but were regular Royal Lao Armed Forces members. Any SGU legislation honoring Hmong and Lao omits these pilots as a matter of fact. The SGUs did not have an Air Force. In the same way, some Hmong pilots, who have stated they had fought near the Ho Chi Minh Trail, were actually small integrated members of the Royal Lao Air Force which operated in Military Region 3 and 4 under Royal Lao Armed Forces command. Other ground military members who monitored North Vietnamese Army movements in MR 3 and 4, planted electronic listening devices along the Ho Chi Minh Trail as part of the “Road Watch Operations”. These teams were made of Lao Loum and South Vietnamese Commandos of Military Assistance Command, Vietnam – Special Operations Group (MACV SOG) and the Army of the Republic of Vietnam – ARVN Strategic Technical Directorates not Hmong.
Over 58,300 American service personnel sacrificed their lives in Vietnam during the war. It is a serious sacrilege to not mention or minimize their sacrifices in any way in these Vietnam War Resolutions.
In my opinion this legislation and resolution was written based on a foundation of non-serious historical research and faulty factual documentation, it is rather based on folkloric fantasized oral history. Hmong Studies in many schools are mostly based on collecting adult oral stories and not on hard facts. To base law on oral history is dangerous and unprofessional.
Note: The Hmong culturally relied on oral history as the means to teach the generations of their culture as they did not have any written language until the early 1970s. The majority of the adults in the 1970s were illiterate.
I served as a full time teacher who taught thousands of Southeast Asian immigrants of age 12–21 for 6 years in Minneapolis School District. I helped design curriculum, staff development, textbooks, parental guidance, and I taught ESL to adults of age 18–65 in the evenings for at least two decades, so I know their populations, needs, acculturation, politics, aspirations well. The Hmong people as I know them are honest, peaceful, eager to help, polite and determined to become constructive citizens. But so are the Lao, Khmer and Vietnamese.
I believe the former Hmong military did not make up stories when they participated in Hmong Studies programs: their lack of western culture, updated knowledge and basic education put them behind. They had no idea what or where the Ho Chi Minh Trail meant or was, so any encountering with the North Vietnamese Army wherever in Laos was the same as fighting on the Ho Chi Minh Trail to them. The question must be asked therefore; were there any Hmong soldier in Military Region 3. The answer is no. If there were no Hmong in Military Region 3 who operated there? The answer is the Royal Lao Armed Forces and the Lao Loum Special Guerrilla Units (SGU). Did Hmong pilots in the Royal Lao Air Force T28’s mean the Hmong had fighter planes? The answer is no. The modern world was very confusing for the early Hmong immigrants to the United States having just come from the remote mountains of Laos.
Many problems and issues arise when Hmong activists have taken advantage of the non-Hmong Legislators’ lack of knowledge and confusion about the Vietnam and Secret War in Laos. Hmong centric activists who mislead others by omission, deliberate misinformation or ignorance about the war must stop. It's time the Vietnam War history is clarified and misinformation corrected. Let’s make sure all are treated fairly. No one who deserves it should be left out. Isn’t that the job of our government's policy makers who embrace and teach the notion: “Of the People, by the People and for the People”?
I wonder what the 1.73 million Vietnamese-Americans in the United States think about this favoritism? Or, perhaps the 276,000 Cambodians? Or, the 270,000 Hmong? And the 260,000 Laotians? Not to mention the United States Military and CIA who served covertly and openly with these Allies.
It is important to recognize the heroic efforts and sacrifices of all Southeast Asians. It is also of the utmost importance to do so in a fair way. Let all heroes of the Republic of Vietnam, the Khmer, Laos, the Hmong and the hill tribes of the Montagnard enjoy the well deserved accolades as the Hmong have enjoyed since emigrating to the United States during this 50th Commemoration year of the ending of the Vietnam War.
It’s about time.
I close with this old Vietnamese proverb: One tree cannot make a forest
; the strength of the United States in uniting many trees.
Dr. Ha Tuong
Former ARVN officer 1972–1975
Head Teacher of Mpls Public Schools 6–12 ESL Bilingual Title VII 1976–1982
High School Principal 1992–2006
Vietnam War researcher / author / lecturer 2008–current
February 24, 2025
The Honorable Chairman Senator Aric Putman
3215 Senate Office Building
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55155
The Honorable Ranking Member Senator Bruce Anderson
2209 Senate Office Building
Saint Paul, MN 55155
Members of the Senate Veterans Committee
Subject: Regarding Senate File 568
As an introduction, my name is Khao Insixiengmay, born in Savannahket, Laos in 1944. I am a former Special Guerrilla Unit (SGU) Colonel and Commander of SGU Groupe Mobile (GM) 33, a regimental size unit recruited, trained, supported and directed by CIA case officers in Laos. Currently I am a US citizen living in Brooklyn Park, MN.
I received my Military training in Laos, France and in the U.S. In the United States I went through the English Advanced Class to learn U.S. Military terminology at Lackland Airforce Base, TX. At the U.S. Army Armor School, Fort Knox, KY I went through the Special Leadership Course which is like Officer Basic Training. Furthermore, I attended the Infantry Officer Advanced Course at Fort Benning, GA which helped me to become a strong unit commander.
Due to my special skills and capacities, I was recruited on March 18, 1968, by SGU Headquarters from the Royal Lao Army to serve with the Special Guerrilla Units, a surrogate of the US Government. I fought in many battles throughout the Kingdom of Laos. I fought two battles in MR2 supporting the beleaguered Hmong under the commander of General Vang Pao to protect the Hmong from being vanished by the communists. The first battle was in 1969. I was wounded, nearly died, and was hospitalized at the U.S. Air Forces Hospital, Udon, Thailand. The second battle in March of 1972 to penetrate the Plain of Jars with the intention to do the (search and destroy operation).
It is my great intention to inform the members of the Senate Veterans Committee about the proposed SF 568 legislation which cites The Hmong Veterans’ Naturalization Act of 2000. I want to clarify this act.
Please read Doctor Yang Dao’s letter addressed to Senator Orin Hatch Chair U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, dated May 6, 2000.
“Dear Senator Hatch,
I am writing to show my support to the HR 371 related to the naturalization of aliens who served with Special Guerrilla Unit or irregular forces in Laos. I strongly believe that those who fought side by side with the United of America during the Vietnam War should be rewarded for their sacrifices they had endured for the cause of Freedom and Democracy in Southeast Asia and in the world.I am a Hmong from Laos. I received my Ph. D. in social science from the Sorbonne University of Paris, France in 1972. From 1972 to 1975, I served the Royal Lao Government successively as a Director of Human Resource Planning Department in the Ministry of Planning and International Cooperation, and as a member of the National Political Council of Coalition (Laotian Congress) during the Coalition Government in Laos. Like hundreds of thousands of my countrymen, I came to know the road of exile after the take over of my country by the communists Pathet Laos in May 1975. I am now a U.S. citizen living in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota.
After serving the University of Minnesota, Hamline University and Metropolitan University for more than one decade, I currently work as an assistant Director of the Communication and Public Information in Saint Paul Public School.
I urge you to use your influence to make the H.R. 371 and S 890 become laws which will ease the process for our Laotian veterans by eliminating the English language which constitutes a major obstacle toward their process of becoming U.S. citizen.
(Khao Insixiengmay taught the citizenship class for the Lao community and was a Supreme Court from 1997 to 2012.) However, I would like to remind you that in my terminology of “Laotian”, I would like to include Hmong, Lao, Khmu, Mien, Lue, Thai-Dam and Iko and other Laotian ethnic groups who have fought with special Guerrilla Units or irregular forces in Laos. Those irregular forces were present in Military Region I, Military Region II, Military Region III and Military Region IV.
To determine who is eligible for the process of naturalization, I would propose that an independent commission should be established to verify the identity of these Laotian veterans. This commission should be composed of representatives from the C.I.A. the state department, the immigration and Naturalization Services, and different groups of Lao, Hmong, Khmu, Mien, Lue, Thai-Dam and Iko veterans in the United States. Only a single group of Laotian veterans to certify the citizenship status would jeopardize the process of naturalization by providing corruption, fraud, distortion and injustice which will contribute to greater division among the veterans of all Laotian ethnic groups.
As a former member of the Laotian National Political Council, I urge you to do whatever in your power to make the process of naturalization the most equitable for all the Laotian veterans who are called to live in good spirits and relationship among themselves and the community at large. I have good connections with all these Laotian ethnic groups in the United States.
With great respect, Yang Dao
I would like to inform you about what I did previously to support Senate File 568 relating to veterans; expanding the definition of the term veteran; establishing an advisory task force; amending Minnesota Statutes 2024, section 197.447.
Senate File 568 cites the Hmong Veterans’ Naturalization Act of 2000 (Public Law 106-207, *U.S.C.1423) as an identifier to those eligible to be redefined.
Here are some very difficult suggestions to Congress and to the US government:
On Monday, February 10, 2014, we: Colonel Khao Insixiengmay, former SGU GM 33 along with Mr. Thomas Leo Briggs, former CIA case officer, Road watch Team 300, James Bruton Ret. U.S. Special Forces and ex-CIA case officer, Mr. Pang Mua former interpreter for the SGUs, and Mr. Pakou Hang SGU veteran from MR2, testified before the Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress. We wanted the record to show that all Laos Veterans in MR1, MR2, MR3, and MR4 were trained, supported and directed by CIA case officers and their military advisors and that all Southeast Asian Special Guerrilla Units (SGUs), Road Watch Teams, Interpreters, and Operation Coordinators working with and for the CIA in the Kingdom of Laos during the Vietnam War were part of a single, united secret U.S. operation.
To learn more about details information can be found on: www.cavwv.org/hmong-burial-controversy.htm1
Please help us and take action to revise S.F. No. 568 to include all Southeast Asian veterans. A prompt adjustment would be appreciated.
Col. Khao Insixiengmay (Ret)
President of the United Royal Lao Armed Forces & Special Guerrilla Unit Veterans of the Vietnam War
Life US SFA member A-3828 of NC, and life member of US SFA Chapter XXXVIII
Former SGU Colonel, Interpreter, Instructor, Operations Assistant to the CIA in MR3
Former SGU Group Mobile 33 Commander
Dear Editor,
I am writing to highlight serious problems with Minnesota's current veterans benefits law (Minnesota SF 568) that unintentionally excludes many brave allies who fought alongside American forces during the Secret War in Laos.
The Problem: The current law only recognizes Lao veterans who were naturalized under the 2000 Hmong Veterans' Naturalization Act. This excludes many veterans who became citizens before 2000 through other legal channels.
Additionally, few Minnesotans realize that while Hmong veterans made significant contributions, they were not the only ethnic group fighting in these special units. Ethnic Lao and Lao Theung tribesmen actually comprised approximately 65% of these irregular forces. All these brave allies risked their lives supporting American military operations.
Recommended Improvements:
This advisor should:
These changes would ensure Minnesota properly recognizes all our Lao allies who served honorably — not just those who became citizens through a specific law or belong to a particular ethnic group.
Minnesota has long valued military service and sacrifice. Let's make sure its laws reflect the true diversity of those who fought alongside Americans in one of history's most complex conflicts.
Sincerely,
Thomas Leo Briggs
CIA Operations Officer GS-15 (Ret)
Special Operations Officer, Laos 1970–1972
President, Coalition Asian Veterans of the Vietnam War (cavwv.org)
Author, Cash on Delivery: CIA Special Operations During the Secret War in Laos